tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-975396517528079505.post6815060892030514431..comments2023-09-19T04:21:14.514-04:00Comments on Vegan Burnout: I do not want to live in a little house on the prairie.Vegan Burnouthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00647418989761380056noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-975396517528079505.post-48299949951515782010-05-30T19:56:33.268-04:002010-05-30T19:56:33.268-04:00what will you do with all the eggs your yard-frien...what will you do with all the eggs your yard-friend chickens lay? if they all hatch, you'll have a hell of a lot of chickens...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-975396517528079505.post-73280923115902176222010-05-12T12:23:24.342-04:002010-05-12T12:23:24.342-04:00I am so late to the party, but that didn't sto...I am so late to the party, but that didn't stop me from weighing in with my own blog post today, in which you are quoted. Thank you for capturing the ridiculous either/or behind this movement so perfectly.Shannon Druryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16079448879370299353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-975396517528079505.post-50320261865071781732010-03-29T01:01:46.811-04:002010-03-29T01:01:46.811-04:00I love this post! And I love your blog. I'm ...I love this post! And I love your blog. I'm new to blogging, and it's such a treat to happen upon something so smart, timely, and hilarious. Many thanks to you and to Eco Yogini, whose post & link brought me here.Tiffany Hutchingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14284860922524182499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-975396517528079505.post-70597816975412122812010-03-25T12:37:33.425-04:002010-03-25T12:37:33.425-04:00Thanks so much! This post was so fun. The aspects ...Thanks so much! This post was so fun. The aspects you've framed here just seem rediculous! DON'T TELL ME TO GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN-HA! We live in a world with so many choices... Gosh, and I love Jen's comment about just having chickens--not for eggs or flesh, just as yard-friends! Yeah!Brooks Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05789430862542763946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-975396517528079505.post-86698320922054868212010-03-25T08:12:08.311-04:002010-03-25T08:12:08.311-04:00"Can't a body just mess around in the yar..."Can't a body just mess around in the yard and be done with it?!?!" <br /><br />I love this, Brenda! Thanks so much for reading. Namaste!Vegan Burnouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647418989761380056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-975396517528079505.post-18501925434839781062010-03-24T22:23:05.084-04:002010-03-24T22:23:05.084-04:00Ah, I was having trouble finding this link and now...Ah, I was having trouble finding this link and now, courtesy of Ecoyogini, I've got it. This article irritated me, too. Whether from the author's editing or the women interviewed, but I find the whole idea of politicizing the simple act of gardening off-putting. 100 yr.s ago it was just part and parcel of survival, and now it is the sign of true dedication to one's family and planet. Can't a body just mess around in the yard and be done with it?!?!Brenda P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15706976926804565629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-975396517528079505.post-11856619646176982852010-03-22T09:54:38.637-04:002010-03-22T09:54:38.637-04:00yep, VB, you perfectly worded my misgivings about ...yep, VB, you perfectly worded my misgivings about this article. I really just couldn't explain it... but it made me uncomfortable. I *knew* it wasn't really feminist...<br /><br />Have you heard of Elizabeth Badinter? She's a French (France) feminist writer who has just released a new book, Le Conflit et la mere, and mentions how the environmental movement is basically functioning as a backlash against womens rights.<br /><br />and I can see her point.Eco Yoginihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10693080137196812405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-975396517528079505.post-42499051336939505242010-03-22T07:35:10.752-04:002010-03-22T07:35:10.752-04:00Raising chickens isn't necessarily for meat or...Raising chickens isn't necessarily for meat or for eggs. Chickens make some of the best compost on the planet and take care of a lot of garden pest issues. Why not give one a good home and benefit from the arrangement.jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-975396517528079505.post-90139650267473399852010-03-19T19:23:35.585-04:002010-03-19T19:23:35.585-04:00I am an "urban farmer". I live downtown,...I am an "urban farmer". I live downtown, go to college, ride my bike, and tear up yards to plant food for a living. I have a business and it feels awesome to help people grow their own food and raise chickens and love the smell of compost. But WTF, Peggy Orenstein?? As if women who eschew careers to stay at home and raise kids/chickens are doing it to avoid the "new source of alienation" of "paid employment". Can't women just live the way we live at work or at home BECAUSE WE WANT TO, not in order to boost our obvious lack of self-importance?<br /><br />I really found the quotes of Shannon Hayes to be misleading. The way Orenstein quotes her in the last paragraph makes it sound like it's hard to "return to the world" once your homemaking involves raising chickens. I mean, it sounds silly, right? "Chicken wire can coop you up as any gilded cage"? This isn't the fifties, and inserting that it's "a dangerous situation" for your relationship with your husband to get too into "domestic arts" if you don't have a higher purpose for doing them, is, well, insulting. Hayes is a livestock farmer, and I can see how she might have ish with keeping her life balanced, but don't put that ish on all of us. <br /><br />And apparently, Orenstein thinks that conventional feminists got careers "to provide [for] a family's basic needs", or as a means of survival in case our husbands got sick or died. I guess I had it all wrong. I thought women went to school and worked, not just for our families, but also for our OWN betterment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-975396517528079505.post-78808158406481429072010-03-17T22:31:43.545-04:002010-03-17T22:31:43.545-04:00You are hilarious and fabulous, VB!You are hilarious and fabulous, VB!Marlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17051769657129028820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-975396517528079505.post-5079749229244614242010-03-17T14:26:37.177-04:002010-03-17T14:26:37.177-04:00the clarification was needed (and is appreciated)....the clarification was needed (and is appreciated). thanks!miriamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-975396517528079505.post-14703701764462975792010-03-17T14:19:25.664-04:002010-03-17T14:19:25.664-04:00Thanks for making that excellent point, Miriam. I ...Thanks for making that excellent point, Miriam. I can see how it would appear that I was intentionally bashing the women profiled. That was not my intention; they were barely profiled at all, in fact. My frustration was mostly directed at 1) the author and 2) the social constructs that deride feminism while simultaneously rushing to label as "feminist" anything that might draw publicity. Indeed, I find many of the goals of so-called femivorism admirable, but am more concerned with the issues of privilege, especially the privilege of choice, that the article failed to question. I hope this clarifies my position a bit!Vegan Burnouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647418989761380056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-975396517528079505.post-61411395356373864982010-03-17T13:43:09.117-04:002010-03-17T13:43:09.117-04:00something to consider:
As an ardent vegan, I can s...something to consider:<br />As an ardent vegan, I can still have respect for a woman who tries to live her life outside of our capitalist society - who is a producer instead of a consumer - even if she eats meat. But at the same time: just because this particular article references the Omnivore's Dilemma, and because these four particular women raise animals for food, doesn't mean that the whole movement is made up of meat-eating Michael Pollanites. I agree that the NY Times article is flawed in its representation of the issue, but that's no reason to pick on the lifestyle as a whole.miriamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-975396517528079505.post-55734621719119320972010-03-17T10:26:02.402-04:002010-03-17T10:26:02.402-04:00Okay, first I thought this was the best sentence I...Okay, first I thought this was the best sentence I had ever read:<br /><br />"Earning a living wage, I would suggest. But that’s my 78 cents to my husband’s dollar talking again."<br /><br />But then I saw this:<br /><br />"BITCH, DID YOU JUST TELL ME TO GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN?!"<br /><br />I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING!<br /><br />And then I saw this:<br /><br />"I realize I say this from a position of considerable privilege, but get off the cross and improve your own little corner of the planet without getting your half-assed agenda all over the rest of us."<br /><br />But this was the clincher: <br /><br />"Shit, I got so spun up I don’t have any energy left to talk about the awful irony of “femivores” exploiting the reproductive cycles of other female animals."<br /><br />YOU ARE BRILLIANT and this is awesome. I wish I was even half as hilarious as you are. I don't know how you manage to do the funny while still making a point. <br /><br />I'm going to go edit my WWW to include this, it is too good to be missed.The Voracious Veganhttp://www.thevoraciousvegan.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-975396517528079505.post-16382819215488003642010-03-16T20:27:43.551-04:002010-03-16T20:27:43.551-04:00Oh girl, I absolutely canNOT do that better than y...Oh girl, I absolutely canNOT do that better than you did! That's why I didn't even try. Made me so batshit I couldn't even begin to deconstruct it.<br /><br />And, THIS: Michael Pollan is going to haunt me until I die. YES. Yesyesyesyesyes.bhttp://brittanyshoot.comnoreply@blogger.com